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What Do Bren And Jago Sound Like?; A discussion of character voices
Topic Started: Dec 4 2012, 11:09 PM (1,388 Views)
Sable

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Understood. However, on the CJ Cherryh Movie in Audio page the discussions are limited to: Foreigner, the project, and audio drama.
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I rarely check this site anymore. I have been trying to aid in the FB discussions, even if it is just a silly remark.

Bren.. 2nd tenor.
Banichi .. bass.
Jago .. female tenor.
Barb 2nd soprano. Same for Deana.
Tabini .. Caruso. Operatic speaking voice.
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Here you can find discussions on all kinds of topics which pertain to Ms. Cherryh's characters and worlds - from Celtic mythology to the design of the Meetpoint spacestation or the design of the spaceship Norway to the fine points of the Hani and/or the Kif languages. And not forgetting the underlying philosophies of all the characters and cultures encountered along the way (well, maybe not the Knnn . . .).

On Facebook the discussions are limited to a subset of these. Admittedly there is enough in this subset to spark lots of discussion and debate, but it is about only three books in one series.

Can you go on Facebook if you have never joined it?

- Gakusha
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Gakusha, the answer to that varies literally from page to page. It's a privacy setting left to the discretion of the page's owner. Most people insist on permitting only logged-in Facebook members to view (and comment on) their pages at the very least, to reduce trolling -- and to have a findable target to complain about if they are trolled/threatened/etc. Some people crank up their setting higher in varying degrees, all the way up to "Catch-22" (If you're not already my friend, you can't reach me in any way, not even to ask to become my friend). Pages related to national brand names and registered trademarks typically have the most open permissions.
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Sable nadi:

I'm with nadi Gakuska: I don't use FB/Twitter/etc. And I won't. One would prefer to invite interested individuals to come here, join and post an opinion. Or, perhaps, you might need to monitor both sites.

On the note of voices: I also would approve a James E Jones/Paul Robeson type voice for Banachi. Something bordering basso profundo. Catering to the human expectation of human-high female voices would ruin the alieness of Atevi women. I agree with the idea of Tabini being low baritone (bass baritone is the term, iirc). I also agree that the size of chest/lung area in Atevi, being larger that humans in all aspects, would produce lower voice tones. Jago might do well with what's called contralto in opera singers: the lowest a singing human female voice gets. Illisidi, being very old, might exhibit the higher, softened tone of the aged. Let's call her a true alto, not quite metzo soprano the lowest a soprano can get).
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I think Keith David would make a great Ateva.

Unfortunately I forgot whom I heard recently who had me go puddle with suave ateviness.



(FB has higher social and attention pay out for less work needed to be put in. And I'm really kinda not interested in the question they are doing daily on it, they sound so attention-hungry forced and unfannish.) I however would really like to know where the project currently stands, if there's been anything about that in the last month or so, I must have missed it. The things of interest to me are a sound7voice teaser, a release date and a price tag.
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Bren once described Banichi's voice as being deep enough to rattle china (I think that's in Precursor). Cajeiri once described Banichi's voice as "big" (Conspirator). With lungs like his, I imagine he has the capability to project his voice very well and still make himself be understood. (Brings to mind the idea that bass sounds travel farther distances than higher pitches, like elephants or lions, both of which can be heard from miles away.) Given his size and maturity, his voice would be so deep that trying to put any human voice in comparison to it would not do it justice. James Earl Jones would sound like a tenor in comparison.

I think that with atevi voices, you would have to lower the octaves of the actors voices anyway to have them sound right.

There was some mention of the timbre and lilt of Jago's speaking voice (I'm guessing, but maybe Precursor and Invader?)

Tano's and Algini's voices have never been described, that I recall, but Algini may have a slightly higher tone than Banichi (he was never described as having a deep voice, that I can remember; that seems to be Banichi's special characteristic. But he would probably sound deeper and more mature than Tano). I always imagined Tano as having a younger sounding voice, like a young man in his 20s versus a man in his 40s or 50s (it's not always the case, but in the same way that many men "grow into" their bodies as they age, so they "grow into" their voices as well.)

You would probably also have to slow the timing down on the atevi lines that are read. It seems like a nit picky thing, but in Inheritor, after Bren and Jago had had their sexy time in the tent, he was trying to match his breaths with hers. He determined that he could do it if he forced it; hers were somewhat deeper and longer than his, and not a match. Which makes sense again when you consider their size, that lung capacity would be that much larger.
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You wouldn't have to to any electronic tweaking if you got Avi from Pentatonix doing the dialog. :)

One way Bren could solve his dilemma...I'm sure he could have found some way to speed up Jago's breathing :devil
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There's a difference to singing in low tones and speaking in low tones I think (and even then, there's a difference between singing and hitting the lowest note you can), so unless he can maintain the deep tones for dialog, he probably wouldn't be deep enough.

But again, the physical factor for a deep voice is longer vocal cords/larger throat and lungs, and since Banichi would have longer vocal cords/larger throat and lungs than any human could sport, it's why I think digital manipulation of the voices would be required anyway for good effect.
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There's a difference to singing in low tones and speaking in low tones I think (and even then, there's a difference between singing and hitting the lowest note you can), so unless he can maintain the deep tones for dialog, he probably wouldn't be deep enough.

But again, the physical factor for a deep voice is longer vocal cords/larger throat and lungs, and since Banichi would have longer vocal cords/larger throat and lungs than any human could sport, it's why I think digital manipulation of the voices would be required anyway for good effect.

I take it you've never heard Avi get interviwed? You'd still need someone more like James Earl Jones for Banichi, but I think Avi would suffice for Algini or Tano, or other "run of the mill" atevi.
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I have heard him, and he just doesn't strike me as having a low enough voice (or an old enough voice. Maybe it's just me). :/ He does seem capable of getting a decent low pitch while singing, but it's a matter of sustaining that pitch for normal speaking.

There was another thread around here that I posted in that had a guy with the deepest natural speaking voice I'd ever heard. Let me see if I can find it.
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Eric Holloway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBz5yvD7UWM
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