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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 27 2012, 11:35 PM (1,375 Views) | |
| Sable | Nov 27 2012, 11:35 PM Post #1 |
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Hi everyone! Trying to be more current with postings here about what we're doing with the audio project of Foreigner. Could I suggest that ol' "like" us on Facebook thing? We're at: CJ Cherryh Movie in Audio. Updates that are posted there are by our Social Media Coordinator. If you want to follow the inner workings of the adapting process or the directing/acting process you need to follow me, personally, on my tumblr blog: sablejak.tumblr.com or on my website: www.sablejak.com. Some of this, of course, may be on FB, but a lot won't. Why so many choices? Well, from the beginning of this I've wanted to do a bit of a "from the director's chair" or "from the sound booth" type of thing that could also involve you all. I really wanted to keep the inner working aspects separate from the general discussions. Seems to me that the people on this site are much more interested in how sound is put together and how turning a novel into strictly sound works, and also how actors are selected, etc. Especially as how it all affects the final product of Foreigner. Also, I'm hoping to get your input on some of the things like: music opinions, sound opinions, etc. and if the (what I call) inner work is mixed in with the general discussions a lot might be lost. I guess you could say I'm going for the purists So, there you have it. For quick updates and fun stuff and information not pertaining to the "nitty-gritty" of development "like" us on Facebook. Like us there anyway, you don't want to miss anything. Plus, the more you like us the more word spreads and we want to tell the whole world about this. And for those of you who want to really work with me through the development process go to my blog or site. I check them fairly often and also get notifications when messages come through. Keep in mind, however, that I do post other stuff on my blog (like my Gigolo of DanBois Park story). My website, however, has a dedicated page to the Foreigner project. Also, quite often I post the same information in both places. Just remember, if you have suggestions please don't be disappointed if I don't use them, but do know that everything I get will be considered carefully. I've already had people mention things that have made me sit back and think a little harder. And I like that! Looking forward to hearing from you. Sable :fluffy: |
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| Hakkikt | Nov 28 2012, 03:44 AM Post #2 |
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will make a point of pressing like. Kkktttt! Hkkt 1446 [0346GMT, 2043PST] Wed. 28 Nov. 2012 |
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| Sable | Nov 28 2012, 04:42 AM Post #3 |
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One thanks you Hakkikt! I have a question for everyone... What do you imagine the Wi'itkitiin's cry is like? In my mind I hear it plainly. And have been endeavoring to explain it in the script to the sound designer. But I know that what I hear may not be anything like what others hear. Of course we'll be asking CJ. But at the same time I'd like to know what the citizens here imagine. |
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| weeble | Nov 28 2012, 09:03 AM Post #4 |
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Oh! I've always thought of it as a cross between a great blue heron (sort of a low crawwwk crawwk crawwk) and a red-tailed hawk (a long drawn out kewaaaaaaaa) but that may be because we had both in the preserve that made up one edge of the property. Definitely not a songbird! |
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| Reading_fox | Nov 28 2012, 02:06 PM Post #5 |
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I don't know. Tonally songbird like, graceful like all in the aveti world, rather than a rough kaw of a crow; but not trilling or song like. I picture them somewhat akin to Pern's firelizards for some reason. |
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| hrhspence | Nov 28 2012, 02:45 PM Post #6 |
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OK, I was thinking that the name of the animal was onomatopoetic, imitating the sound it makes. So, some sort of Wiiiiiit-kiiii-tiiii With the sound going up the scale on the multiple i's and then arching down quickly for the next. I also thought that there'd be many clicking k's and t's at the end as the whistling ended. Different combinations would carry meaning of aggression, joy of flying, search of mates, etc. |
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| Sable | Nov 28 2012, 06:32 PM Post #7 |
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You all are fabulous! In the book (first one) Ilisidi says the dragonette is called a Wi'itkitiin because that is the sound it makes. But, as we all know, animals don't just make one sound. I love what you all are saying. You're giving me great input for the sound designer! Keep it up! Not that I'm greedy or anything :kitty: |
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| the mule | Nov 29 2012, 10:29 AM Post #8 |
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Musically it suggests two long trilled notes (say a rising tone apart) seperated by a rest, followed by two descending short notes the second slightly extended. :2cents |
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| BlueCatShip | Nov 29 2012, 08:40 PM Post #9 |
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The name, based on the call, suggests to me a quick, short, staccato call, wi-'it-ki-ti! With stress and pitch as, starting pitch note and duration, second syllable slightly shorter and a note higher, third syllable almost like the first but a tiny bit higher, last syllable carrying fer atta ad lib and either higher or lower than the pitch of the second syllable. I would think there would be variations depending on what emotion and information the creature is conveying, as nand' Spence suggested. Perhaps the sounds wi, 'it, ki, ti, might be combined in various ways with more or fewer syllables as suits the call. This feels like various bird calls on Earth, but I don't know the names together with the calls, often, even for some very common birds. A little trivia, because the discussion reminded me of it. My paternal grandma, who passed away back when I was in college, was from the Appalachian mountains in Virginia. (Think of the movie Harlan County War, or the Foxfire books, or Dolly Parton, or Loretta Lynn, and you get the accent. They are all from close enough to there that the accent is nearly identical.) My paternal grandma used to have a little narrative, in which she'd sing the chickens' calls. "Open the criiib doooor!" "Fetch the kkeeyy to meeee!" "What-does-the farrr-mer saaaayyy?" There was more to it, but that's what I recall. I would guess this was something handed down, known in the area, maybe throughout the Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee Appalachians. Often, these were either things that originated in the Colonies or in the 1800's pioneer era. But also often, they were brought over from any of the countries of the British Isles or German and Dutch speaking countries, because most Colonial and early American settlers were from any of those countries. Non-English songs and stories might get translated and adapted along the way, and variants popped up with each telling and memory. It's unrelated to how a flying reptile/bird/dragon/dinosaur might sound, but it might shake an idea loose for the sound designers and musicians. |
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| Sable | Nov 29 2012, 10:29 PM Post #10 |
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Wow!!! You guys are fabulous! What a great discussion! I've got a long list of questions so I think I'll go through them this weekend and start putting them up. Thank you soooooo much! Sable :kitty: |
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| weeble | Nov 29 2012, 11:30 PM Post #11 |
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LOL In case you haven't noticed, we LIKE to talk about esoteric details of certain books. Call us a bit crazy that way. |
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| Hakkikt | Nov 30 2012, 12:42 AM Post #12 |
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I'd only like to add that it should be loud & menacing, not the rather weak sound of our large raptors [eagles, hawks, peregrines, kestrels etc] but the same type of sound, only from a larger, more threatening creature. Perhaps akin to those of Cameron's Avatar in volume & intensity? The worst you could do would be to make it sound weak - & easily recognisable. Kkktttt! Hkkt 1141 [0041GMT, 1741PST] Fr. 30 Nov. 2012. |
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| Sable | Nov 30 2012, 02:54 AM Post #13 |
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Do know that CJ will have quite a bit to say about the recordings and right up there are the sounds of the animals. So, whatever our sound designer comes up with, you can bet it will pass CJ's muster first! sj :kitty: |
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| BlueCatShip | Nov 30 2012, 01:58 PM Post #14 |
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Hey, we enjoy discussing what makes up the Foreigner world, or any of her other worlds. I thought some more on sound influences. The Foreigner books have some noticeable echoes of things like Enlightenment and Revolutionary era (late 1700's) England and France, feudal and Meiji era Japan, and possibly classical Greece and Rome, partly because all these interest nand' CJC. These can be anything from life at court or thinkers' salons to the shops and streets of common folk. Likewise, the lives of sailors in port and at sea (in space) whether navy and marines or traders, fishers, or, er, those of a more piratical or untethered nature. So soundscapes and musical influences from around then might be inspiring. Classical European and Asian, yes. Folk music from those periods, equally. Marches, waltzes, square dances and jigs and reels. Most of the action in books one and two is land-based, but later books might include more sea and space allusions. The scenes at Malguri would need more of an outdoor and castle-to-château-palais feel. That is, Malguri is a castle dating to antiquity, but in the present day, it is like a retreat for a noble family, UK or other European, or Japanese. Note it wouldn't be either European or Japanese or favor either. It needs to be alien, atevi. The challenge, though, would be to make it atevi and not recognizably human historical. Atevi music would likely have influence from their passion for math and numbers, particularly for odd instead of even numbers. Their ideas of art and music involve balance and symmetry, but through careful asymmetry, similar to an Asian aesthetic. Atevi have machimi plays, and referencing that in the design of the audio drama and sound/music used might be helpful, and a neat tie-in for the show as well as inside it. |
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| BlueCatShip | Nov 30 2012, 05:01 PM Post #15 |
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I had somehow got the idea that the apostrophe in atevi/Ragi language was a glottal stop, the same sort of stop sound in Cockney dialect for bottle as bo'el. But then I came across the word Isgrai'the, a place noted as a Preservation Reserve for the Saisuran, a famous water garden. (Invader pp. 326, 327.) at least in human languages, so far as I know, the glottal stop ' would not likely occur right next to a T sound as in Isgrai'the. The glottal stop occurs in Hebrew and Arabic and other world languages, so maybe i'm discounting 't together, but afaik, i don't think so. However, the word is in CJC's text, canon, spelled so several times, so not a typo. I take it then, that the ' in atevi can be either a glottal stop or some other consonant, or a sign of irregular syllable stress or vowel length. Why the heck do I mention it here? Because the value for ' in atevi affects the sound of a wi'itkiti call, where I'd thought it was the glottal stop and divided the syllables as wi-'it-ki-ti. So -- nand' Sable and nand' Spence, an answer from nand' Siidjei-ma is in order, particularly as it might affect development of sounds for the wi'itkitiin, which make an important point regarding conservation and tradition, as well as being a really cool atmospheric scifi sound to enrich the audio drama. I'll also copy this into the Ragi vocabulary and language discussion for its value there. |
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