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So, I Finally Finished Deliverer
Topic Started: Nov 27 2007, 10:49 PM (3,265 Views)
Felicitous Sk8er
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But I'll just wait impatiently for the next trilogy to unfold and see what new deviltry the Great One  :cherryh:  has cooked up to torture us with.


Just you wait! :rofl:

Shall we say....Cajeiri is in fine form! :rofl:
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Busifer

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It's not polite to tease us like that!!!

Arghhhh!!!

*runs off in agony*

...not when the damned thing don't even have a publication date!
:atwink
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Lol, you need inside information to know that Cajeira is a hellraiser?
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Felicitous Sk8er,Apr 16 2008
01:04 PM

Just you wait! :rofl:

Shall we say....Cajeiri is in fine form! :rofl:

:pie:
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:Arrgh: :HB:
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BetYeager,Apr 16 2008
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Lol, you need inside information to know that Cajeira is a hellraiser?

:rofl: :roll :eil
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Oh! Oh! Tease! By the way, it came to mind the other day that Cajeiri -is- by birthright and raising, the ultimate Paidhi. He is truly one in the middle. He is in the middle of East and West, Earth and space, old and new, human and atevi. Future aiji and interpreter, he can do it all at once. The rascal :atwink
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Felicitous Sk8er,Apr 16 2008
06:04 PM
Just you wait! :rofl:

Shall we say....Cajeiri is in fine form! :rofl:

Oh, SO evil!!!
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This is reaching back a bit - but oddly enough (!) I am rereading Foreigner even as we speak -

and in Chapter VII, I think it is, Bren is reading a history of Malguri, and one story is a nice one about two Aiji'in, of adjoining provinces, who had a long romantic history and to quote:
'a plethora of talented children'

So at least in the past - aiji'in definitely had more than a single child. Perhaps they spaced them out considerably? Although it's hard to have 'a plethora' if you space them out TOO much!


I'm voting for primogeniture (oldest is aiji) rather than speculating about 'a single child'.

Besides, that Lord whatsisname in the south, that Banichi or Jago may or may not have shot, had a brother - and Cajeiri clearly has uncles, cousins etc which are hard to get with only children on both sides.

Plus 'oldest rules' would explain why some 'lords' are men and others are women.

It would take an exceptional younger child to take the lead over an older sibling, unless the older sibling were exceptionally retiring, or shy, or dim.
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I don't think "aiji status" has much to do with birth order, or even direct line of descent, but rather that the atevi around one considers one to be the aiji. Part of Algini's bad experience had to do with "his" client's being passed over by the family to recognize a cousin's claim.

Cosadi had just as much claim as her uncle Murini on the Tasigin Marid after her father's demise.
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True - I guess I'm not advocating 'firstborn regardless' but thinking of how birth order plays out in human families, the first born child has a lot of advantages: usually gets more parental attention, is usually a bit smarter on average - and so on. Plus he or she is just flat OLDER than the siblings, which would be an advantage in many cases -

Atevi might - it seems to me - 'favor' a firstborn child inheriting, with potentially ALL family members possibilities, depending on many factors - so a firstborn would be an 'heir presumptive': unless this, unless that, unless the other thing....

In much of the Middle East historically (and in some places still) every son had an equal right of inheriting 'rulership', with the father making his choice known at some point. And perhaps children of the first wife, or the most status-holding wife, would get priority -
that might apply to Rejiri's situation.
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Ilisidi was passed over as Aji. Being aji as I understand it has nothing to do with birth order, but with whatever it is that causes an atevi to feel manchi. Who that atevi feels manchi to determines the status in the heirarchy. the rare atevi that do not feel manchi are ajin. They are the ones that lead the herd not the ones that follow.
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But there is DEFINITELY an hereditary component (or Cajeiri would be just another kid). We are talking here (I am talking here) about little a aiji'in, not THE aiji, but it still applies. Lords inherit from family members.

With a component - probably an important one - of 'electablitiy' (man'chi) from those to be led.

Developed more officially for THE Aiji of the Western Association, who must be voted on - elected - by the legislature: and the commons at that! I think that political system is quite neat.

But the legislature is picking among a very small group of possibilities, all of them 'nobility' and all related - didn't Jago or Banichi tell Bren, once, that every Aiji of the W.A. had come from one of only about four families?

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pence,Apr 18 2008
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Ilisidi was passed over as Aji. Being aji as I understand it has nothing to do with birth order, but with whatever it is that causes an atevi to feel manchi. Who that atevi feels manchi to determines the status in the heirarchy. the rare atevi that do not feel manchi are ajin. They are the ones that lead the herd not the ones that follow.

I guess the logic is, if you attract enough man'chi from the members of the tahsrid, they will vote for you to become aiji? And she didn't?
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Hasdrawad. It used to be the tashrid who did the electing, but one of the Barjidi reforms was to give the power to the commons who were more favorable to the House of Barjida.

Ilisidi would have won a tashrid election but she does not get along with the lowland commons. It's not hard to see why. So she lost the hasdrawad election.
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