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| A Message From Herself; who is being held incommunicado! | |
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| warriorofworry | Apr 23 2008, 07:13 PM Post #286 |
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I'm one of the lurkers, and have been for years. It's a combination of I'm - just - that - shy; the amount of time needed to keep up with this very active board; and the general level of posting here - erudite and incisive. Many's the time I've followed a thread only to find someone else has already posted what I was thinking of saying, and saying it better than I might have. I have been shocked by other boards, where the general level of discourse was - at best - coarse. I really do feel like this is a community. So I'm emboldened to opine that the honored :cherryh: shouldn't add a Shejidan link to her front page. And to agree with Resa. |
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| Arianne_Luinithil | Apr 24 2008, 06:46 AM Post #287 |
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Bu-javid tekikin
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One agrees with those in favour of remaining in the shadows, nadiin...One would rather people come here after having to do some research first--after all, it ensures that we get better members who are actually interested in being here. :lol: Along with the concerns about Herself and Jane's safety, one feels that advertising on nand' Cherryh's doorstep would be insheibi of us in the extreme. Those who wish to find us will do so, and if they can't be bothered to, well--do we really want them here? |
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| Asicho | Apr 24 2008, 08:44 AM Post #288 |
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Maker of Fine Message Cylinders
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One adds one's vote for the suggestion of perhaps linking to us on a "Links" or "fan sites" sub-page of Herself's website, but not on the main page. I don't know what the effects of more publicity would be. I have occasionally talked about Shejidan, by name, over on LiveJournal--but the one person I know there who would be the most interested in Shejidan, and who would be a wonderful asset here, has not the time to come visit! So it's not just a matter of knowing about a place, but also about the ability to access it. That said, I definitely agree that our best defense against trolls is the culture of consideration here. It would just seem so out of place for people to yell at each other on Shejidan! So, we don't do it. I do trust that our Guild would come down hard on vexatious persons, but I don't want them to have to. So--another vote for remaining a shadowy conspiracy! :innocent |
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| the mule | Apr 24 2008, 01:29 PM Post #289 |
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Paidhi-Aiji
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The Guild is pleased to know that its lightest touch is so appreciated nadiin :atwink |
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| Chomiji | Apr 24 2008, 05:22 PM Post #290 |
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I have such mixed feelings. I'm so touched that Herself is entertaining the idea of linking to us. Other the other hand, a well-publicized fan board attracts trolls and spammage - that is the sad truth of today's existence on the Intarwebs. On neilgaimanboard, for example, they have 3 very active mods who sometimes have to be persistently punitive. Recently, they had a troll who was insisting on posting pr0n images in the clear in the "open" sections, and they had quite a time getting rid of him - they'd shut down one account, and he'd open another. I guess I'd be inclined to go for the low-key link, if any - tucked somewhere in a list of other links somewhere on her site. It is true that this site (or rather its parent, www.shejidan.com) comes up highly placed in searches if the search includes both cherryh and fan. But perrochon is also still up there ... lots of links must still point to it. We don't come up for a while in searches on, say, c.j. cherryh. If we wish to increase our prominence on such searches, perhaps the mod-aiji would consider adding some additional metadata (keywords) to the first page. I would also respectfully suggest that all of those who maintain a homepage or blog that discusses reading and/or science fiction add a link to us somewhere. Perrochon is a good, useful site, but as far as I know, it has not been maintained for nearly a decade. I truly believe would serve our fellow :cherryh: readers better if we came up top on searches for :cherryh: fans. - Cho |
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| ready | Apr 25 2008, 12:57 AM Post #291 |
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I don't believe we are in a position where we need more members. Perhaps it's selfish of me, but I really think the mentions on nand' :cherryh: s site are enough for the interested fan. Do we really want or need to double our associates and halve our board responsiveness? If I could find this place, just about anybody who is interested could have found it. When I first saw the mention of this board in the Progress Report I thought "Gee, there might be some like-minded souls there. I then proceeded to do a web search on C.J. Cherryh. Yes the board was not one of the first mentions, but I FOUND it because I looked! I believe that from my (biased) point of view I'm the type of person that belongs on this board rather than the person who's trolling for something to do when they need amusement because it's a slow day. I have no problem with people who want to lurk or who don't have the time to spend keeping up with the board on a daily basis. I've been there myself. I just don't think we need the aggravation of the "drive-by" member who joins, flames a few fora, then leaves. |
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| starexplorer | Apr 25 2008, 03:41 AM Post #292 |
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First Contact Assassin
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Low key, for me. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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| Xheralt | Apr 25 2008, 04:08 AM Post #293 |
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I think the occasional mentions that we get in CJ's blog are more than enough. If people want to find us, or something like us, they will! "Google is your friend!" Making people work, even that tiny amount, gives us better odds of getting only the people who WANT to be here. Any fool can follow a link if it's right there for them. |
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| Jewel | Apr 25 2008, 05:59 AM Post #294 |
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Just wanted to ditto this. Seeing the mention in Herself's Progress Report is what set me to looking for this place. And I found it! |
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| Vetch | Apr 25 2008, 06:31 AM Post #295 |
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I, of course agree with the majority, and just want to repeat something I said before (I love to her myself type :grin) 1. I think a link on Her site wouldn't change that much. Those who go there will probably land here anyway, if they want to. 2. In the early years of my internetting from others' comps I found Shejidan very quickly, without knowing of its existence, without looking for it: I googled for some Chanur words (probably "kif" and "Aja Jin"). So I believe that anybody who loves Her books well enough to go searching for something of hers in the web will find us. 3. I think as long as we personally keep Shejidan's address secret and thus don't attract stalkers from more public, crowded boards (eg. IMDb), we're safe. (I don't mean personal referencing to people we know. Those are very welcome, imo.) |
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| KeithL | Apr 25 2008, 07:41 AM Post #296 |
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Just to add my 'fourpennorth' vote to stay as is: Far more important than advertising and links elsewhere is the friendly and welcoming 'culture' on this board. Interested people can find and look using google etc and can continue to be welcomed for their input |
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| Aja Jin | Apr 25 2008, 08:27 PM Post #297 |
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number one good, A ?
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you number one good fan of mine :grin |
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| Vetch | Apr 26 2008, 06:47 AM Post #298 |
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Mahen Anthropologist
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A, number one delight see that good ship be shipmind now. Argh, that pidgin. :grin I mean: seems that Aja Jin has developed a mind of its own, which is great. Now it's at home in Contact Space but maybe part of Banks' Culture, too. |
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| Felicitous Sk8er | Apr 26 2008, 03:48 PM Post #299 |
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:ot2 Cho, I just followed your link to the Neil Gaiman board -- which has *9004* members. Ack! Shejidan has 192! We had 800+ members on the old site -- moving here 17 months ago pruned quite a few. So did Hacker-Dude's :shoot: attack there -- I seem to recall our member count abruptly dropped by several hundred on that Fateful Day. I ended up in the Gaiman NWS forum. Thanks for the laughs-out-loud! Some of the posters there remind me of our Susan {gone but not forgotten :bawl}. They were hysterical! :rofl: Back to :cherryh: : One has been astounded and pleased at the number of Associates who have posted in response to Herself's offer & query. (Incidently, I did not receive a single PM or email). The numbers are in clear agreement: "don't fix what isn't broken". One has relayed that to Herself, along with thanks for making such an offer. One stressed how pleased our Associates were by Her gracious offering and sensitive query -- and that in & of itself was more than recognition enough. :rose2: (BTW, I don't think Herself was surprised by the consensus. But Herself wanted to do this for us, *if* this is what our Association desired.) :t |
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| Chomiji | May 1 2008, 03:57 PM Post #300 |
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:ot2 sk8er - First, let me assure all our associates that I know that Shejidan is a most superior sort of place, and I am not attempting to dim our glory by discussing another board. The two places are different in a number of ways. For example. I have found Shejidan to be far more supportive to me personally in a number of cases, with regard to subjects as disparate as my recent illness and my efforts for Blog Against Racism week. I felt more comfortable here while I was undergoing treatment than I did there. But neilgaimanboard has its uses and can be fun - and I will note that it has spawned several real-life marriages in the past couple of years ... really! neilgaimanboard numbers are rather misleading ... a link to it is part of the navigation bar on Gaiman's main site, and gobs of people sign up and either lurk (for who knows how long) or ask a question or two, get their answers, and never darken the doorstep again. Further complicating the issue is the practice of aliases - people establish them as jokes (we have Yanni and James Joyce visiting and dropping bon mots from time to time, for example), and also as part of the annual "Alias Game," a masquerade guessing game that just wrapped up for this year in a little while ago. I'd guess that the number of people who actually participate in discussion on a regular basis is probably no more than 200 ... that's confirmed by a look at the list for "The Project," which is a yearly event where you write brief nice comments for as many people as you can. The mods post a list of active account names beforehand, for reference. The most recent list had 187 names on it. So the active community is likely larger than our active community, but not by the orders of magnitude that the raw numbers suggest! end :ot2 Still, on reflection, and after reading everyone's posts, it's probably just as well that we do not attempt to imitate that very busy and public place, and remain our cozy selves. - cho |
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